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Super Brain Blog – Season 3 Episode 8
In this episode I speak to Dr Catherine Kelly author of Blue Spaces How and Why Water Makes You Feel Better about the science behind the health benefits of spending time in and near water and how swimming in the sea helped Catherine cope with bereavement and loss. She has been a geography academic for more than 20 years. D in Geography, a BSc. She has lectured at various universities in the UK and Ireland; her research and publication areas include geography, environment, and the field of wellbeing. Catherine is passionate about the sea, learning, nature and helping both adults and children to enjoy, explore and relax outdoors by the coast.
Sabina Brennan Hello, my name is Sabina Brennan, and you are listening to Super brain, the podcast for everyone with a brain. Swimming in freezing cold water in the middle of winter is most definitely not my cup of tea. My guest today, Dr. Catherine Kelly, a self-described salty seabird has written a book about how and why water makes us feel better. But this is my first book for real people as I call them. Maybe pre-pandemic, I might have been surprised. But I think this kind of wild swimming or sea swimming is something that people have taken up to cope with the pandemic. Sabina Brennan Yeah, you would see people, you know, who did that Christmas morning swim in freezing cold and yeah, because it was Christmas morning.
But I live in Clontarf. There just hail rain and shine. Or was it something that was building before the pandemic? Five years ago. Catherine Kelly I do I live in Brighton an hour south of London, right on the sea, five minutes walk to the bottom of the road. Catherine Kelly That you can integrate it into your everyday life. So Dublin is is one of those. And I come back to you though about that in a minute. It was a life tragedy that brought you here was really for you a means to survive something really shocking that happened.
There was rivers near us. So that was where we learned to swim. But yeah, 25 years ago, my mom died really suddenly of a brain hemorrhage just from nowhere. And yeah, it was a huge shock. And I was living in London. I was just finished my PhD. I had my first lecturing job in a university in London. And yeah, I was just, you know, thrown sideways. And I came back home to Ireland, lived in Dublin for a year with my sister. Sorted out a little bit of stuff at home. And this lovely job came up in the west of Ireland. Catherine Kelly and when I went as soon as I got there and I stayed the night before the interview, and I stayed in Westport.
This is where I need to be. And it was very intuitive and very instinctive. I mean, my PhD is in geography. And I since went on to do a BSc in stress management. So over time, subsequently, I started to make sense and research and read about this stuff that now has a whole sort of research pushed behind it, but at the time, I just felt when I got there. This is where I need to be because this see, and this air will, will fix me. You know,. Sabina Brennan I think I should say, as well as I mean, your mom was incredibly long. Sabina Brennan Wow. And sudden death at any age is very tough. I mean, like that my dad was in his 80s. But he was fine.
He was in my house before and fine. So death of dementia. And in the end, the quick death is better. But I can say that because both my parents were in their 80s. Catherine Kelly yeah, no, my mom died very suddenly. And my dad died over eight years. And he was young too But it was eight years of cancer. And you know, gosh, neither of them are pleasant. It takes a long time. I would keep seeing my dad on the street. Do you know what I mean? And yeah, just kind of very strange. And my husband, his brother died suddenly two years ago.
And like that, he just died in an airport going to board a plane, you know, his daughter dropped him off and his wife was waiting the other end and he never came home it was the UK yeah Yeah. So that was shocking. So you were trying to.. Well, it was my dad and my younger sister that were kind of stuck into sorting that I suppose, I rented a house in Dublin, and she came to live with me, she was still only in, in college in Dublin and 19 my mom died the day after her birthday. And it was all very raw, you know, and we just sort of hung on to each other a wee bit until we studied.
Catherine Kelly And then figured out what to do. She took a year off University and then went back and then this job came up for me and this was a great thing. Catherine Kelly And I felt kind of guilty because I left them after nine months because this other thing came up. Catherine Kelly I could work for the mayo Tourist Board probably but because it is just a stunning wild place. Sabina Brennan So you fell in love with the sea basically, at that point did you start to go swimming in the sea. But initially it was more walking deciders. So I rented a house first of all, which had sea views and mountain views and then I ended up buying a house which was again, right on the sea it was like a five minute walk through a little wooded lane straight onto old head strand, which is a blue flag beach with you know, white sand rocks and, and a view of Kirkpatrick and it was very wild.
You know, it was quite remote. I remember I think it says in the book there was this nice man that I worked with. I love it there. I walked that beach every day, twice a day, three miles long. And if we have a wound, what do we do we clean it with water. Because when you do say something like that, well, then you know, people catch you. But it is. Catherine Kelly no, I did go back to my job in England. No, I had a few months. Oh, god in England as well. Catherine Kelly Anything? Catherine Kelly No, nothing. They just all get highly uncomfortable and avoid eye contact. Oh, yeah. And then because nobody knew my mom there.
It was just sort of a story. You know what I mean? Sabina Brennan Yeah, they have kind of a different, whole different sort of funeral system as well, you know, inviting people, we go to show our respects and the more people who show up the better. Catherine Kelly Yeah. Sabina Brennan it was no small amount. And then you felt the draw to go back to the UK? Catherine Kelly Well, again, this other job came up. I was doing this lovely degree in heritage studies. And then after six years, and I was involved in the lovely Arts Festival in Westport and I had lovely friends and colleagues and the landscape was lovely.
And I kind of feel okay, now. And, again, in heritage management. Catherine Kelly Exactly.
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